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Post by nc8000 on Apr 11, 2023 21:05:08 GMT
share imagesFinal iteration. (2) 220uf 25V capacitors. one for each side. 3.5mm connectors are out...cap slides into the empty slot. Silver Gold wire is out, I couldn't get it to sound right no matter what I tried. 20 Gauge solid copper is in instead. Battery cable is still SilverGold 24 gauge. Burn in commences Cool, is this the final final final or the final final, final final, final 😅👍 On the balanced out caps, I see you have the mkp1837 bypassing just the top kemets. I know the resistance is low and will fool a continuity tester but the bottom kemets aren't a direct short, I measure 0.2543 ohm so 1/4 of an ohm. What did you finalise on the other side, did you piggyback another supercap? Final like in the absolutely final Kiss goodby tour 🤣
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Post by DietKokaine on Apr 12, 2023 3:20:44 GMT
share imagesFinal iteration. (2) 220uf 25V capacitors. one for each side. 3.5mm connectors are out...cap slides into the empty slot. Silver Gold wire is out, I couldn't get it to sound right no matter what I tried. 20 Gauge solid copper is in instead. Battery cable is still SilverGold 24 gauge. Burn in commences Cool, is this the final final final or the final final, final final, final 😅👍 On the balanced out caps, I see you have the mkp1837 bypassing just the top kemets. I know the resistance is low and will fool a continuity tester but the bottom kemets aren't a direct short, I measure 0.2543 ohm so 1/4 of an ohm. What did you finalise on the other side, did you piggyback another supercap? Should I also bypass the bottom kemets? I have every capacitor in the back bypassed by a .01uf vishay capacitor. the 50uf caps are non polar, so bigger than the usual polar 50uf. Do you think the 4 separate caps are the better option?
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Post by DietKokaine on Apr 12, 2023 8:22:43 GMT
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Post by DietKokaine on Apr 12, 2023 8:26:06 GMT
Complicated layout. But all caps are bypassed by foil capacitors. 4 of them Sounds pretty nice so far.
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Post by NPAudio on Apr 12, 2023 14:10:33 GMT
Complicated layout. But all caps are bypassed by foil capacitors. 4 of them Sounds pretty nice so far. Cool, maybe you are getting close the Final, Final, Final, Final,Final, Final, Final, Final, Final, Final, Final, Final,Final, Final, Final, Final version, but will it now need a different firmware or tuning 😁👍
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Post by DietKokaine on Apr 12, 2023 15:09:36 GMT
NPAudio this is all your fault 🤡🤡😂 And yeah, the tuning and region I was using is no longer working The player got significantly brighter I don't think the foil bypasses are going to stay.
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Post by NPAudio on Apr 12, 2023 16:04:38 GMT
NPAudio this is all your fault 🤡🤡😂 I can't go in and disassemble this, even if I wanted to. It's got a life of its own now. And yeah, the tuning and region I was using is no longer working The player got significantly brighter Hahaa, oops, sorry mate 😅
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Post by DietKokaine on Apr 12, 2023 20:39:44 GMT
NPAudio The final final final final final setup. SilverGold wire back in, and the foil capacitors on the front are out. (4) 100 uf 25V caps. (4)Kemet bypasses. The Foil capacitors on the balanced out just don't sound right no matter what I try. Sound becomes overly thick, and smoothed over, and also bright at the same time. SilverGold without the foil bypasses has hands down the best tonality and presentation. Instruments sounds like they should. Copper is too saturated and rich in comparison. add: Figured it out.....the 20 gauge wire that I used to connect the capacitors is too thick. I have to swap it out Have to wait a few days though as I am completely out. It's making the sound too thick, and syrupy. Bass is very elevated. The gauge of the wire changes the sound quite a lot, so the foil bypass should work better in this new configuration. Skin effect
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Post by DietKokaine on Apr 14, 2023 22:26:04 GMT
Absolutely Final configuration. 1Z firmware and Region E. Incredible how good this player is sounding right now. Capacitor and 4.4mm cables are Silver Gold Mundorf 18 gauge. For whatever reason the way I had this Gold wire installed only to the top 2 Kemets, the sound was thick and slow. Now it sounds accurate, AMAZING TONALITY, and extremely wide stage. I'm in love. Thank you NPAudio, and MrWalkman. This player is not going anywhere for a long long long time.
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Post by peter19500 on Apr 15, 2023 11:56:45 GMT
Great! Congratulations on musical nirvana. I wish you a lot of beautiful music.
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Post by DietKokaine on Apr 18, 2023 5:08:51 GMT
Spoke too soon. After the 1st 6 fantastic hours the sound progressively got worse and worse, finally it became overly thick. The 18 gauge skin effect is obviously to blame. The SilverGold solid wire doesn't come in a 20 gauge configuration.... so this is the next iteration of the installation. Necessity is the mother of all invention, and dare I say it, I like this quite a bit. Let's see how the next week goes. I'll be trying the foil capacitor bypass pretty soon also, with region E and it's reverb plus these Legenburg capacitor hookups, that might actually work out very well. Tuning mods is hard work . The mundorf in the 4.4mm and battery spots is fantastic, excellent timbre, every instrument sounds like it should. Separation is fantastic
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Post by justsomesonyfan on Apr 18, 2023 6:51:36 GMT
Before you give up on the cable do try different regions and settings, dac initialization = 1, high gain = 1, and plus mode are all worth playing with, although plus mode makes the sound thicker and warmer, but who knows how it'll interract with your device. Personally I'd take MX3 over E. It's the most "unprocessed" sound region for me J3 and J are great too but I wouldn't take them over MX3. Generally speaking, do you think your mod can outdo or improve on the latest npaudio mods?
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Post by DietKokaine on Apr 18, 2023 20:32:04 GMT
Before you give up on the cable do try different regions and settings, dac initialization = 1, high gain = 1, and plus mode are all worth playing with, although plus mode makes the sound thicker and warmer, but who knows how it'll interract with your device. Personally I'd take MX3 over E. It's the most "unprocessed" sound region for me J3 and J are great too but I wouldn't take them over MX3. Generally speaking, do you think your mod can outdo or improve on the latest npaudio mods? NpAudio has put together a very strong base for hardware modifications to this player. The cables like any other system modify the sound in ways that software simply can't do. The 4.4mm cables, capacitor cables, even battery cables (gauge, construction and metals used, directly modify the sound, at times even more than software can. I changed the cables to connect the capacitors on the back of the board from 20 gauge to 22 gauge today. It took away a lot of the thickness in notes that I was hearing. Player still has to burn in before I can make any final conclusions. I've installed and uninstalled the foil caps many many times, hence the melt marks But they work. I should have everything figured out soon
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Post by DietKokaine on Apr 18, 2023 20:41:35 GMT
Before you give up on the cable do try different regions and settings, dac initialization = 1, high gain = 1, and plus mode are all worth playing with, although plus mode makes the sound thicker and warmer, but who knows how it'll interract with your device. Personally I'd take MX3 over E. It's the most "unprocessed" sound region for me J3 and J are great too but I wouldn't take them over MX3. Generally speaking, do you think your mod can outdo or improve on the latest npaudio mods? After changing the back cables to 22 gauge. J region for the very first time sounds great on this modified player. It sounded off every time I tried it, significantly off. That's how much even just the cables in the back of the installation matter. what would 22 gauge solid silver sound like?, or silver Gold? See what I am getting at? Tuning a mod is not easy and requires a lot of patience.
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Post by bodo on Apr 19, 2023 6:34:36 GMT
Before you give up on the cable do try different regions and settings, dac initialization = 1, high gain = 1, and plus mode are all worth playing with, although plus mode makes the sound thicker and warmer, but who knows how it'll interract with your device. Personally I'd take MX3 over E. It's the most "unprocessed" sound region for me J3 and J are great too but I wouldn't take them over MX3. Generally speaking, do you think your mod can outdo or improve on the latest npaudio mods? Thank you for the suggestion. I tried that too. My initial settings are as follows: * SIG=3 * REG=J3 * REM=0 * PMV=2 * GMD=1 * DIM=0 Everything unchanged except for the switch from GMD=0 to GMD=1. Besides, I find it incredibly comfortable to be able to play with the possibilities of the hardware in this way - thank you Mr. Walkman. And indeed, it sounds different, even distinctly. For the first few minutes you are captivated by this wealth of detail and attention-getting sound events, especially in the mids. Language becomes much easier to understand. But after half an hour at the latest and a few pieces across all genres of music, I didn't want to listen to music any longer. For me, an artificiality that had been perceived as irritating at the beginning had become obvious. What I lack is depth in space and lack of bottom and top registers. The entire image appears flat instead of spatial. For me an indication that a significant increase in crossover distortion and background noise is to be expected. Nothing more with a raven black background. Consistency is lost. All in all an interesting excursion into the possibilities of our Walkman. For me, however, GMD=0 is the preferred operating mode. I'd like to have a little more gain, especially single-ended, when I'm running the Walkman on my MZ3, but I'd rather not.
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